CITES - hvordan forholde seg til alle krav?

[Duckling]

Thomann har vel såvidt jeg vet sendt gitarer med RW til Norge hele tiden, men tidligere var grensa €1000.

[Hanspanzer]

Nyhetsbrev fra USACG: 

CITES: we have decided to stop shipping Rosewood overseas.  After jumping through the myriad of hoops and paperwork to attain a Masterfile, monthly trips to the facility for inspections and form filing ONLY to have the shipment held by another country because THEY don't have a clue how to handle, was exhausting and costing us and our clients more pain and money than it was worth.  You win CITES...you got what you wanted.  We really only have 3 words to say at this point...Pau Ferro and Katalox! :-).  UPDATE:  as we go to press on this issue there is news that CITES is looking into changes for the music industry.  I don't see it happening quickly BUT they are cognizant of the negative impact this has had on our industry.  Lets keep our fingers crossed! 

Her er det tydeligvis bare å bli vant med alternativer. Pau Ferro var tross alt SRV`s choice.

[Audun]

Like idiotisk som den norske regjeringens innføring av DAB som eneste radioplattform. 

[Sugardaddy65]

Ebony da ? Er ikke den lovlig ? Hvis alle bruker ebony i stedet for rosewood , så gleder det en ebony fetishist !

Gibson får bruke richlite da , siden de er så forbanna kjipe .

[Hanspanzer]

Enn så lenge er ebony innafor. Katalox som USACG nevner blir også kalt mexican ebony og har visstnok mange av de samme kvalitetene. Det finnes alternativer men (meg selv inkludert)  gitarister er vanedyr ,)

[+The Euphor]

Mener jeg leste at CITES skulle se på reglene og endre de snarest mulig. Neste møte planlagt avholdt allerede i 2019.

 

Spoiler

 

CITES Considers Revising Rosewood Rules 
THE CITES PLANT COMMITTEE held an open meeting in Geneva last month, offering musical instrument manufacturers the rare opportunity to comment on and criticize the highly disruptive rosewood regulations that were hastily implemented in January of this year. Approximately 25 instrument makers, including representatives from Martin and Taylor Guitars, and Madinter, a leading supplier of tonewoods, were present. Scott Paul, director of natural resource sustainability at Taylor Guitars, said the committee was surprised by the unusually large turnout and "gave us a very sympathetic hearing."

The CITES regulations in question placed all 200-plus species of Dalbergia, commonly known as rosewood, on "Appendix II" status, requiring manufacturers to secure import and export licenses for all products containing rosewood. For guitar and wind instrument makers, the new rules effectively brought trade to a halt as countries around the world scrambled to develop the appropriate forms and procedures for complying with the new rules. As a result, in the first quarter of 2017, U.S. electric guitar imports plummeted by 25% and acoustic guitar imports were off 31%.
The CITES Plant Committee cannot alter the text of the rosewood regulations. That can only be done by the CITES Committee of Parties (COP) which will next meet in 2019. What the Plant Committee can do is suggest alternative interpretations of the text. Given that even the Committee conceded that the rules were poorly written and full of ambiguous language, "alternative interpretations" hold the promise of easing some of the compliance burdens.
The good news emerging from the meeting was that the 500 scientists, environmental organization representatives, and interested observers in attendance seemed to agree that there were opportunities to scale back some of the burdensome reporting requirements on manufacturers that use rosewood, including guitar and wind instrument companies, without sacrificing the goal of preserving the world's rosewood forests. The bad news was that the Plant Committee can only make recommendations; any actual changes to the CITES rules have to wait for the full COP meeting, set for some time in 2019 in Sri Lanka.
Environmental enforcement agencies around the world, like the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, are emerging as an unlikely ally in rewriting the rosewood rules. Several agency representatives at the meeting complained that generating export licenses for musical instruments was consuming a disproportionate amount of time, diverting personnel from far more pressing issues.

 

 

[Alfi27]

32 minutter siden, The Euphor skrev:

Mener jeg leste at CITES skulle se på reglene og endre de snarest mulig. Neste møte planlagt avholdt allerede i 2019.

 

  Vis skjult innhold

 

CITES Considers Revising Rosewood Rules 
THE CITES PLANT COMMITTEE held an open meeting in Geneva last month, offering musical instrument manufacturers the rare opportunity to comment on and criticize the highly disruptive rosewood regulations that were hastily implemented in January of this year. Approximately 25 instrument makers, including representatives from Martin and Taylor Guitars, and Madinter, a leading supplier of tonewoods, were present. Scott Paul, director of natural resource sustainability at Taylor Guitars, said the committee was surprised by the unusually large turnout and "gave us a very sympathetic hearing."

The CITES regulations in question placed all 200-plus species of Dalbergia, commonly known as rosewood, on "Appendix II" status, requiring manufacturers to secure import and export licenses for all products containing rosewood. For guitar and wind instrument makers, the new rules effectively brought trade to a halt as countries around the world scrambled to develop the appropriate forms and procedures for complying with the new rules. As a result, in the first quarter of 2017, U.S. electric guitar imports plummeted by 25% and acoustic guitar imports were off 31%.
The CITES Plant Committee cannot alter the text of the rosewood regulations. That can only be done by the CITES Committee of Parties (COP) which will next meet in 2019. What the Plant Committee can do is suggest alternative interpretations of the text. Given that even the Committee conceded that the rules were poorly written and full of ambiguous language, "alternative interpretations" hold the promise of easing some of the compliance burdens.
The good news emerging from the meeting was that the 500 scientists, environmental organization representatives, and interested observers in attendance seemed to agree that there were opportunities to scale back some of the burdensome reporting requirements on manufacturers that use rosewood, including guitar and wind instrument companies, without sacrificing the goal of preserving the world's rosewood forests. The bad news was that the Plant Committee can only make recommendations; any actual changes to the CITES rules have to wait for the full COP meeting, set for some time in 2019 in Sri Lanka.
Environmental enforcement agencies around the world, like the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, are emerging as an unlikely ally in rewriting the rosewood rules. Several agency representatives at the meeting complained that generating export licenses for musical instruments was consuming a disproportionate amount of time, diverting personnel from far more pressing issues.

 

 

Trodde du kødda... Liker at de var jævlig kjappe og effektive med å innføre dritten, men muligheten for å klage og faktisk gjøre noen endringer er umulig før sløvsekkene har kompromitert hele instrumentbransjen i to år + og finner ut at de skal treffes igjen. Neste blir vel at epletreet blir rødlistet, det må søkes importtillatelse på Pink Lady og Bama går til helvete... 

Så hvis vi er griseheldige kan vi kanskje importere rosewood som normalt om rett over et år til, eller i verste fall over to år til. For å sitere Nils Gunnar Lie: "men det e jo, ehh, flott det". ?

Endret Oktober 29, 2017 av Alfi27

[sarge]

Furu, bjørk og lønn er det ihvertfall nok av... Det blir vel elgitarer, uansett.

[+blaamann]

10 hours ago, Sugardaddy65 said:

Ebony da ? Er ikke den lovlig ?

Madagascar ebony er f.eks listet i CITES, men mange andre ibenholtarter kan en fortsatt benytte.

[Hanspanzer]

Igjen: 

§10. Politikk og religion
Politikk og religion diskuteres ikke.

 

Dette kan da ikke være så vanskelig vel? 

Dette er en moderatorpost, eventuelt gnag og mas kan tas i kommentarfeltet i en vilkårlig nyhetssak i Nettavisen. 

 

 

[skela]

Egentlig ikke. Cites, eller Washingtonkonvesjonen er en multilateral avtale mellom et flertall av verdens land basert på tanken om bærekraftig handel. Landene har anledning til å reservere seg mot ulike oppføringer. Dette er i høyeste grad å betrakte som politikk (og politikk er da langt mer enn lokal partipolitikk). 

Endret Oktober 29, 2017 av skela

[Sugardaddy65]

Where have all the rock n roll rebels gone that played those dangerous electric guitars ?

PK gjengen her tar så vanvittig av at de ikke ikke skjønner " I.R.O.N.I " en gang ..... Hva blir det neste ? Lete etter "skjulte non-PK meldinger " baklengs i sanger ? ?

 

 

 

[nikotro]

3 timer siden, Sugardaddy65 skrev:

Where have all the rock n roll rebels gone that played those dangerous electric guitars ?

PK gjengen her tar så vanvittig av at de ikke ikke skjønner " I.R.O.N.I " en gang ..... Hva blir det neste ? Lete etter "skjulte non-PK meldinger " baklengs i sanger ?

 

 

 

Fortell:-)

[skela]

https://forum.gitarnorge.no/topic/69666-politikk-religion/ :-)

 

[CastorFiber]

Nå er det et par stykker som må rulle inn snabelen her. Det at vi ikke diskuterer politikk på forumet, har null og niks med "PK" å gjøre, noe som er en unødvendig og ufin kommentar. Det er totalt unødvendig å karakterisere andre medlemmer på den måten. Det har rett og slett med det å gjøre at forumet modereres av frivillige. Vi har ikke betalt for jobben, og gidder rett og slett ikke moderere politikkinnlegg, 

Ytringsfriheten kan man ta med seg et annet sted. Ved nye "stikk" i den retning kommer jeg til å reagere på en måte som medfører at man ikke har anledning til å poste på forumet for en periode. SD og Skela driver etter min mening med "strikktøying" hver gang anledningen byr seg. Hvorfor i alle verden er det nødvendig?
Respektér reglene slik de er. Skal man tillate politikkdiskusjoner, så gjerne for meg, men da må man finne en annen moderator. Jeg gidder ikke.

Dette er et moderatorinnlegg, reaksjoner tas på PM.